I have a dark cranberry accent wall and purchased a latex Kilz paint to cover the wall before I change the color to a neautral tan. I am having problems getting the Kilz to adhere to the wall and am thinking that the previous cranberry color may have had some gloss to it and seems to be causing problems with the Kilz sticking to the paint. There is some bubbling in the paint as well. How do I ';clean up'; this Kilz paint that won't stick to the wall and correct the problem as soon as possible, without a huge mess and without damaging my wall? Help, this is horrible!!!What do I do if I've painted a wall with Kilz and it won't adhere?
If the previous coat had some gloss, that may well be the problem. Kilz latex is not a good choice for that application.
Did you clean? Over a period of time, oils and dust can accumulate on walls causing similar problems. It doesn't have to look dirty to be too dirty to paint.
Removing the Kilz will depend upon how long it has been there. If you put it on in the last 48 hours or so, a strong TSP (Tri-Sodium Phosphate) solution will probably take it off, but it will not be easy. You can get TSP at any store that has a decent paint department -- WalMart has it if you have a 24 hour one and want to start now.
Mix the TSP to the strongest solution listed on the box. Scrub with a brush to break into the surface, then finish with a sponge. I would get a couple of different brushes to try -- you will want the softest one that will do the job to minimize damage to the layer unerneath (maybe). My first try would be a short, natural bristle brush. The sooner you start on this the better your chances will be.
After the TSP, rinse well and let it dry for a day or two before you try again.
Now for the next problem. You say the paint is bubbling. You mean the original paint? This must be addressed as well. There is some problem underneath what you are doing, and it will have to come off. Break one of the bubbles and pull off all of the paint that you can.
Does the bubble go all the way to the bare wall? If so, the original paint was probably applied without a proper primer. In this case, the paint on the joints (assuming drywall) will probably come off easily, the rest will not. I would remove any obviously loose spots and use drywall joint compound to fill in the voids left by the removed paint.
If the bubble goes to another layer of paint, there was probably a problem similar to yours -- too much gloss to paint over, or the surface was not cleaned well. In this case it is hard to say where it will peel and where it will stick. Again, remove any obvious trouble spots. This time you will need to clean the voids well (TSP again) and fill the void with joint compound. The cleaning is not needed if you get to bare wall.
In either case, you may find that all of the paint wants to come off. I have seen this a few times, and it is really the best case because it lets you correct all the problems. If it wants to come off, it should.
Now back to painting. Prime any bare wall or new joint compund with a good drywall primer. Let that dry well. If you still have some paint left on the wall, it should be cleaned well by now and you may have eliminated any gloss -- TSP helps with the gloss as well.
Since you have had a problem, I would not take chances with this. Get a shellac based primer sealer (BIN is one example, there are others) and seal the entire surface -- including any areas you primed with the drywall primer. Wait a couple of days before you do this to make sure any drywall primer is wll cured as the shellac based sealer will slow the curing process considerably.
Shellac based is important here because it sticks to almost anything. The cleaning is still important, but gloss is less of an issue.
Most of the shellac sealers are transluscent, so you will be able to see the underlying color through it. This is not a problem. A good paint will still cover your cranberry in one or two coats. The trick is to allow a bit more curing time between coats. Wait a couple of days between coats instead of the few hours most paint cans indicate for a recoat and you will get much better coverage.
Good luck.What do I do if I've painted a wall with Kilz and it won't adhere?
My guess is the wall color was an oil base paint and the Kilz you are using is a water base. I would wipe off the Kilz the best you can, let the wall dry for a day, then get yourself a good primer from the hardware store before you go to your new color.....or trade in the Killz you have for can of oil base. Killz does make an oil base paint.
Thursday, February 18, 2010
KilZ 2 Question on ceiling painting.?
I have a ceiling that needed a bit of repair due to water damage. I have repaired, and applied Kilz2 for two coats. It looks good. Do I need to put another coat of paint, or is just the Kilz enough?KilZ 2 Question on ceiling painting.?
Primer left on its own will have a tendency to discolor. Paint the ceiling with finish paint. You are best off paint the entire ceiling to avoid having the repair ';flash';. You can get Ceiling White paint at most paint stores, and it's generally several dollars/gallon cheaper than standard wall paint. Hope this helps.KilZ 2 Question on ceiling painting.?
Keep in mind that Kilz is just a primer, not a paint. That means that there's glue in the primer so dust, cobwebs, etc. will stick nicely to it. It's always best to put at least one coat of paint on top of a primed ceiling.
That being said, if it looks good, you're in a rented place and you won't be there long, then by all means, leave the primer alone. If however, you're in your own home, do take the time to apply at least one coat of ceiling paint.
cecilia,
If it looks good leave it alone. If the paint matches the rest of the ceiling, it's fine.
good luckelectric bike
Primer left on its own will have a tendency to discolor. Paint the ceiling with finish paint. You are best off paint the entire ceiling to avoid having the repair ';flash';. You can get Ceiling White paint at most paint stores, and it's generally several dollars/gallon cheaper than standard wall paint. Hope this helps.KilZ 2 Question on ceiling painting.?
Keep in mind that Kilz is just a primer, not a paint. That means that there's glue in the primer so dust, cobwebs, etc. will stick nicely to it. It's always best to put at least one coat of paint on top of a primed ceiling.
That being said, if it looks good, you're in a rented place and you won't be there long, then by all means, leave the primer alone. If however, you're in your own home, do take the time to apply at least one coat of ceiling paint.
cecilia,
If it looks good leave it alone. If the paint matches the rest of the ceiling, it's fine.
good luck
Will Kilz paint remove the pine smell from my wood shelf?
I bought some brand new pine wood the other day, but would like to get rid of that pine smell, as it is getting into my cloth collectibles. I tried a krylon sealer, made it worse... tried painting them, didnt take the smell away. I tried that on the extras... I would like to do it right on the actual shelves. Will Kilz remove the pine smell?Will Kilz paint remove the pine smell from my wood shelf?
Every surface would have to be covered in order to seal out the smell of pine. The products that you have mentioned should have done the trick. Give it some more time.Will Kilz paint remove the pine smell from my wood shelf?
remove? prolly not- but it will cover it up and make it less noticeable.... I'm not sure what would REMOVE it... in time it will be less noticeable though!
** I thought about this question last night- I was watching a commercial for arm and hammer paint. It actually covers up and hides the smell of wood and other stinches....... try it!! I hope it works.
Every surface would have to be covered in order to seal out the smell of pine. The products that you have mentioned should have done the trick. Give it some more time.Will Kilz paint remove the pine smell from my wood shelf?
remove? prolly not- but it will cover it up and make it less noticeable.... I'm not sure what would REMOVE it... in time it will be less noticeable though!
** I thought about this question last night- I was watching a commercial for arm and hammer paint. It actually covers up and hides the smell of wood and other stinches....... try it!! I hope it works.
Painting experts.....Kilz II water based sealant OR Primer to cover work done on painted walls b4 repainting?
HELP, I hate getting conflicting statements from professionals. 1 year ago I had my entire house professionally painted. Last wk Contractors came in %26amp; corrected all of my nail pops %26amp; imperfections. The ones that did the sanding %26amp; spackling stated to apply the Kilz II over the white spots b4 touching up the paint. The painters stated to simply cover the white spots with a Primer b4 painting. Which do u recommend? Thanks soooooooo much in advance!!Painting experts.....Kilz II water based sealant OR Primer to cover work done on painted walls b4 repainting?
Kilz II is the best primer you will find.It is available in quarts and larger containers. Just get as much as you need. It's not too expensive. You can even get it in a spray can.
Kilz II is the best primer you will find.It is available in quarts and larger containers. Just get as much as you need. It's not too expensive. You can even get it in a spray can.
I have water stains on my ceiling kilz just bleeds through what can i use to cover stains before painting?
There's another brand I like better than Kilz.
It's BIN 1.2.3. Try it, but yes if the area is still wet you'll need to stop what's above it that wet it.
I have water stains on my ceiling kilz just bleeds through what can i use to cover stains before painting?
There is a possibility that the sheetrock in that area is permanently damaged. You may want to cut the area out (go at least 3 inches past the area in all directions so you have good sheetrock to work with). Cut the area out in a square. Cut a fresh piece of sheetrock (same thickness) the same size of what you cut out of the ceiling. After you have cut the fresh sheetrock, cut an additional 1/4'; from all 4 sides of the fresh sheetrock and rip the 1/4'; piece of sheetrock from the paper backing MAKING SURE NOT TO CUT-OFF THE PAPER BACKING. Put spackle on all 4 edges of the fresh cut sheetrock and around the paper-exposed area of the fresh sheetrock. Place into square cut out in ceiling. You can secure it into place by using a piece of 1 X 2 wood and using small nails to nail the wood to the ceiling until it drys in place. The paper from the fresh sheetrock (where you removed the 1/4'; pieces)should over-lap onto the ceiling. After it drys, you can sand it with light sandpaper and paint. Good luck!!I have water stains on my ceiling kilz just bleeds through what can i use to cover stains before painting?
Use the kilz that is oils base and make sure it is dry all the though to the back. I have seen even with the best of water stain blocker it still didn't work so what we use or do is to remove the paper on the front of the drywall and drywall mud over the spot. Use base kilz and paint. Works every time. I am a building contractor for over 30 years. Shellac is what we use to use but can leave a shining spot which we call flashing
first you need to spackle it before you paint it. When you do spackle it make sure it is fully dried before painting. You can get spackle at any hardware store.
let the kilz dry overnight then reapply another coat
Sounds like the area is still moist. I have used shellac over leak spots before with good results.
KILZ, any hardware store has it, spray or paint on.
It's BIN 1.2.3. Try it, but yes if the area is still wet you'll need to stop what's above it that wet it.
I have water stains on my ceiling kilz just bleeds through what can i use to cover stains before painting?
There is a possibility that the sheetrock in that area is permanently damaged. You may want to cut the area out (go at least 3 inches past the area in all directions so you have good sheetrock to work with). Cut the area out in a square. Cut a fresh piece of sheetrock (same thickness) the same size of what you cut out of the ceiling. After you have cut the fresh sheetrock, cut an additional 1/4'; from all 4 sides of the fresh sheetrock and rip the 1/4'; piece of sheetrock from the paper backing MAKING SURE NOT TO CUT-OFF THE PAPER BACKING. Put spackle on all 4 edges of the fresh cut sheetrock and around the paper-exposed area of the fresh sheetrock. Place into square cut out in ceiling. You can secure it into place by using a piece of 1 X 2 wood and using small nails to nail the wood to the ceiling until it drys in place. The paper from the fresh sheetrock (where you removed the 1/4'; pieces)should over-lap onto the ceiling. After it drys, you can sand it with light sandpaper and paint. Good luck!!I have water stains on my ceiling kilz just bleeds through what can i use to cover stains before painting?
Use the kilz that is oils base and make sure it is dry all the though to the back. I have seen even with the best of water stain blocker it still didn't work so what we use or do is to remove the paper on the front of the drywall and drywall mud over the spot. Use base kilz and paint. Works every time. I am a building contractor for over 30 years. Shellac is what we use to use but can leave a shining spot which we call flashing
first you need to spackle it before you paint it. When you do spackle it make sure it is fully dried before painting. You can get spackle at any hardware store.
let the kilz dry overnight then reapply another coat
Sounds like the area is still moist. I have used shellac over leak spots before with good results.
KILZ, any hardware store has it, spray or paint on.
Clear silicone 100% waterproof caulk used to fill nail holes. Does this require Kilz b4 painting w/flat?
Feels oily to touch upon application. Am repainting interior flat paint, same color. Is the caulk I used going to bleed oil thru the flat paint?Clear silicone 100% waterproof caulk used to fill nail holes. Does this require Kilz b4 painting w/flat?
You will have a tough time getting any paint to adhere to the silicone caulk, however, a dab of an oil base primer will be your best bet. Then topcoat with your paint. Better yet, if the caulk shrunk into the nail holes or if you underfilled the nail holes then just hit them again with a spackle then topcoat with whatever type of paint you like. The good news is that they are only nail holes (hopefully small ones) so even if the paint does not adhere well, hopefully it won't be that noticeable. Good luck, and don't listen to the other suggestion about sanding sealer, that is not a proper or good use for sanding sealer.Clear silicone 100% waterproof caulk used to fill nail holes. Does this require Kilz b4 painting w/flat?
yes it will keep bleeding through until you prime with an oil based product that is suitable for flat latex. kilz is really toxic and smell really bad especially the oil based. get you a quart of sanding sealer in a satin and use that instead. you can use a water bourne product to keep the fumes down to a minamum. this product dries fast and is re-sealable in around 20 minutes. apply another coat and then paint with your flat. should be OK then.
silicone is not paintable...the paint will ';bead'; up.
Why are you filling holes with silicone? Use Spackle! Scilicone will not take paint!
I don't think you'll get any paint to stick to silicone.
Cut it out and use spackle.
You will have a tough time getting any paint to adhere to the silicone caulk, however, a dab of an oil base primer will be your best bet. Then topcoat with your paint. Better yet, if the caulk shrunk into the nail holes or if you underfilled the nail holes then just hit them again with a spackle then topcoat with whatever type of paint you like. The good news is that they are only nail holes (hopefully small ones) so even if the paint does not adhere well, hopefully it won't be that noticeable. Good luck, and don't listen to the other suggestion about sanding sealer, that is not a proper or good use for sanding sealer.Clear silicone 100% waterproof caulk used to fill nail holes. Does this require Kilz b4 painting w/flat?
yes it will keep bleeding through until you prime with an oil based product that is suitable for flat latex. kilz is really toxic and smell really bad especially the oil based. get you a quart of sanding sealer in a satin and use that instead. you can use a water bourne product to keep the fumes down to a minamum. this product dries fast and is re-sealable in around 20 minutes. apply another coat and then paint with your flat. should be OK then.
silicone is not paintable...the paint will ';bead'; up.
Why are you filling holes with silicone? Use Spackle! Scilicone will not take paint!
I don't think you'll get any paint to stick to silicone.
Cut it out and use spackle.
Need help with painting my home ( using kilz)?
i am painting my living room....the color now is a dark burgandy and i am repainting it a kakhi color. i am using kilz. does the kilz need to be thick or just a light coat. and should you still be able to see some of the burgandy through it?Need help with painting my home ( using kilz)?
If you are only using the Kilz to hide the red than you should not waste your time or money with the application of any prime .kakhi covers great and 2 coats are probably all you will need. And never apply paint to thick(cracking can occur) and never to thin(it will not provide the servicablity the manufactuer intended).Need help with painting my home ( using kilz)?
It will be a thin coat. Make sure you let it dry 24 hours b-4 painting over it!
Use a light coat. Thick coats of paint can result in cracking of the paint film and sometimes lack of adhesion.
Kilz is a stain blocker, and I assume you are using it because red colors can sometimes *bleed* through, as opposed to just showing through. Even though you'll still see some burgundy through the coat of Kilz, it'll stop the bleed. Khaki will have raw umber in it, and should give you pretty good coverage over the Kilz.
BTW, when you're *not* going over something that might bleed, if you're changing colors drastically, a medium gray primer is actually your best bed. Gray covers very well, and most colors go over it without much show through.
If you are only using the Kilz to hide the red than you should not waste your time or money with the application of any prime .kakhi covers great and 2 coats are probably all you will need. And never apply paint to thick(cracking can occur) and never to thin(it will not provide the servicablity the manufactuer intended).Need help with painting my home ( using kilz)?
It will be a thin coat. Make sure you let it dry 24 hours b-4 painting over it!
Use a light coat. Thick coats of paint can result in cracking of the paint film and sometimes lack of adhesion.
Kilz is a stain blocker, and I assume you are using it because red colors can sometimes *bleed* through, as opposed to just showing through. Even though you'll still see some burgundy through the coat of Kilz, it'll stop the bleed. Khaki will have raw umber in it, and should give you pretty good coverage over the Kilz.
BTW, when you're *not* going over something that might bleed, if you're changing colors drastically, a medium gray primer is actually your best bed. Gray covers very well, and most colors go over it without much show through.
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